Some interviews tends to be prophetic. They list down the paths
for future. Similarly, interview of Steve Jobs by David Sheff was very
prophetic. Interview was titled Playboy Interview: Steve Jobs (February 1985).
Bold ones are my questions / musings today 32 years post the interview and in italics are portions of the interview as answers for them.
Birth of Imac, Iphone, Tablet was inevitable
“It’s often the same with any new, revolutionary thing. People get
stuck as they get older. Our minds are sort of electrochemical computers. Your
thoughts construct patterns like scaffolding in your mind. You are really
etching chemical patterns. In most cases, people get stuck in those patterns,
just like grooves in a record, and they never get out of them. It’s a rare
person who etches grooves that are other than a specific way of looking at
things, a specific way of questioning things.
It’s rare that you see an artist in his 30s or 40s able to really contribute
something amazing. Of course, there are some people who are innately curious,
forever little kids in their awe of life, but they’re rare.”
Why start ups were required?
"Ten to 15 years ago, if you asked people to make a list of the
five most exciting companies in America, Polaroid and Xerox would have been on
everyone’s list. Where are they now? They would be on no one’s list today. What
happened? Companies, as they grow to become multibillion-dollar entities,
somehow lose their vision. They insert lots of layers of middle management
between the people running the company and the people doing the work. They no
longer have an inherent feel or a passion about the products. The creative
people, who are the ones who care passionately, have to persuade five layers of
management to do what they know is the right thing to do.
What happens in most companies is that you don’t keep great people
under working environments where individual accomplishment is discouraged
rather than encouraged. The great people leave and you end up with mediocrity.
I know, because that’s how Apple was built. Apple is an Ellis Island company.
Apple is built on refugees from other companies. These are the extremely bright
individual contributors who were troublemakers at other companies."
About his exit from Apple?
"You know, Dr. Edwin Land was a troublemaker. He dropped out of
Harvard and founded Polaroid. Not only was he one of the great inventors of our
time but, more important, he saw the intersection of art and science and
business and built an organization to reflect that. Polaroid did that for some
years, but eventually Dr. Land, one of those brilliant troublemakers, was asked
to leave his own company—which is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of."
What’s missing in Indian companies?
“..the intersection of art and science and business and built an
organization to reflect that..”
If we can inject that liberal-arts spirit into the very
serious realm of business, I think it will be a worthwhile contribution.
What Warren Buffet should have known prior to investing in IBM?
“If for some reason, we make some giant mistakes and IBM wins, my
personal feeling is that we are going to enter sort of a computer Dark Ages for
about 20 years. Once IBM gains control of a market sector, they almost always
stop innovation. They prevent innovation from happening.”
“I think there will be lots of innovation in the areas of software
but not in hardware.”
What changed
Jobs?
“That’s not quite the way it happened. I was walking around in the
Himalayas and I stumbled onto this thing that turned out to be a religious
festival. There was a baba, a holy man, who was the holy man of this particular
festival, with his large group of followers. I could smell good food. I hadn’t
been fortunate enough to smell good food for a long time, so I wandered up to
pay my respects and eat some lunch.
For some reason, this baba, upon seeing me sitting there eating,
immediately walked over to me and sat down and burst out laughing. He didn’t
speak much English and I spoke a little Hindi, but he tried to carry on a
conversation and he was just rolling on the ground with laughter. Then he
grabbed my arm and took me up this mountain trail. It was a little funny,
because here were hundreds of Indians who had traveled for thousands of miles
to hang out with this guy for ten seconds and I stumble in for something to eat
and he’s dragging me up this mountain path.
We get to the top of this mountain half an hour later and there’s
this little well and pond at the top of this mountain, and he dunks my head in
the water and pulls out a razor from his pocket and starts to shave my head.
I’m completely stunned. I’m 19 years old, in a foreign country, up in the
Himalayas, and here is this bizarre Indian baba who has just dragged me away
from the rest of the crowd, shaving my head atop this mountain peak. I’m still
not sure why he did it.”
Why Japan is
struggling today?
“Japan’s very interesting. Some people think it copies things. I
don’t think that anymore. I think what they do is reinvent things. They will
get something that’s already been invented and study it until they thoroughly
understand it. In some cases, they understand it better than the original
inventor. Out of that understanding, they will reinvent it in a more refined
second-generation version. That strategy works only when what they’re working
with isn’t changing very much—the stereo industry and the automobile industry
are two examples. When the target is moving quickly, they find it very
difficult, because that reinvention cycle takes a few years.”
The Core
truth
“And I’m not sure. I’ll always stay connected with Apple. I hope
that throughout my life I’ll sort of have the thread of my life and the thread
of Apple weave in and out of each other, like a tapestry. There may be a few
years when I’m not there, but I’ll always come back. And that’s what I may try
to do. The key thing to remember about me is that I’m still a student. I’m
still in boot camp. If anyone is reading any of my thoughts, I’d keep that in
mind. Don’t take it all too seriously. If you want to live your life in a
creative way, as an artist, you have to not look back too much. You have to be
willing to take whatever you’ve done and whoever you were and throw them away.
What are we, anyway? Most of what we think we are is just a collection of likes
and dislikes, habits, patterns. At the core of what we are is our values, and
what decisions and actions we make reflect those values. That is why it’s hard
doing interviews and being visible: As you are growing and changing, the more
the outside world tries to reinforce an image of you that it thinks you are,
the harder it is to continue to be an artist, which is why a lot of times,
artists have to go, “Bye. I have to go. I’m going crazy and I’m getting out of
here.” And they go and hibernate somewhere. Maybe later they re-emerge a little
differently.”
I have not read
Steve Jobs by Walter Issacson. To know Steve Jobs philosophy I will advise to
read this interview.
Interview
source: http://reprints.longform.org/playboy-interview-steve-jobs